1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:22,120 [music - "symphony no. 5"] 4 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,240 [sirens blaring] 5 00:03:29,920 --> 00:03:31,080 [rumbling] 6 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,440 [crowd murmuring] 7 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,000 [footsteps running] 8 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:14,000 [knocking] 9 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:16,520 Dr. Furtwangler-- the Reich's minister. 10 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:19,880 Dr. Furtwangler, I want to apologize personally 11 00:04:19,880 --> 00:04:21,080 for this power failure. 12 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:23,440 I was so enjoying the performance. 13 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:27,520 In times like these, we need spiritual nourishment. 14 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:29,000 [explosions] 15 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:35,840 But I welcome this unexpected opportunity of talking to you. 16 00:04:35,840 --> 00:04:38,680 When you came to the platform tonight, 17 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:41,440 I thought your weren't well. 18 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,600 You look tired. 19 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:47,120 Get away from this bombing, away from the war. 20 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,080 You should go abroad for a while. 21 00:04:50,080 --> 00:04:57,320 Yes, you look tired, even in this light. 22 00:04:57,320 --> 00:04:58,680 [chanting] 23 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,160 Look at them-- men, women, kids. 24 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:06,600 Ha ha, boy, did they love him. 25 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:09,960 You see, Steve, Adolf Hitler touched something real deep, 26 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,680 savage, and barbaric. 27 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,000 And it won't just go away overnight either. 28 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:16,080 It's got to be rooted out. 29 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:19,080 You know what I, I think they were all Nazis. 30 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,520 Let's face it, their leaders, those bastards 31 00:05:21,520 --> 00:05:24,720 now on trial in Nuremberg, couldn't have done it alone. 32 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,120 It's these people. 33 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:29,520 They gave all the help that was needed, willingly. 34 00:05:29,520 --> 00:05:30,520 That's him. 35 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:34,480 Furtwangler-- Wilhelm Furtwangler. 36 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,840 So you've never heard of him. 37 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:42,960 Nope. 38 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,760 Do you know who Arturo Toscanini is? 39 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:47,040 Sure. 40 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:49,840 He's as big as Toscanini, maybe even bigger. 41 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:53,120 In this neck of the woods, he's like Bob Hope and Betty Grable 42 00:05:53,120 --> 00:05:54,120 all into one. 43 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,200 Jeez, and I never heard of him. 44 00:05:56,200 --> 00:05:58,760 You were in insurance before the war. 45 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:00,320 Right, claims assessor. 46 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,040 Conscientious, determined, dogged. 47 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,360 He said I was dogged? 48 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:06,960 Well, they say here that when you went on a case, 49 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:08,000 you stayed on it. 50 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,240 [chuckles] 51 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:11,360 Now, we can't take every Nazi in this country 52 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,320 to trial, although I would like to. 53 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,520 It's an impossibility. 54 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,640 So we're going for the big boys in industry, education, law, 55 00:06:19,640 --> 00:06:20,480 and culture. 56 00:06:20,480 --> 00:06:21,800 Like the bandleader. 57 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:25,160 Well, he's a little more than just a bandleader, Steve. 58 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,560 He's a great conductor, a gifted artist, 59 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,920 but we believe that he sold himself to the devil. 60 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:33,960 Your number one priority from this moment 61 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:37,320 on is to connect him to the Nazi party. 62 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:38,680 Don't be impressed by him. 63 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:40,600 I want the folks back home to understand 64 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,240 why we fought this war. 65 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,600 Find Wilhelm Furtwangler guilty. 66 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:48,920 He represents everything that was rotten in Germany. 67 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,800 Stay put, Steve. 68 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,840 There's some other stuff that I'd like for you to see here-- 69 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:56,480 background. 70 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,400 Oh, one thing that may be a problem. 71 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,640 Our occupation authorities in Wiesbaden 72 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,680 have a duty to help these poor unfortunates 73 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,400 with their defense. 74 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:09,000 They keep repeating, we must be just, 75 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:11,800 we must appear as being just. 76 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,800 Well, I only have one thing to say 77 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,400 to the liberals in Wiesbaden-- 78 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:16,880 fuck them. 79 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,200 [laughs] 80 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:20,520 You'll answer to no one but me. 81 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:22,640 Is that understood? 82 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:23,640 Show him the film. 83 00:07:23,640 --> 00:07:26,400 Yes, sir. 84 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:31,200 That is the hand with a the bombs on defenseless Rotterdam, 85 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:35,800 Brussels, Belgrade. 86 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,880 That is the hand that destroyed the cities, villages, 87 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,520 and homes of Russia. 88 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,800 That is the hand that held the whip over the Polish. 89 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,240 Next reel, please. 90 00:07:47,240 --> 00:07:51,080 French and Norwegian slaves. 91 00:07:51,080 --> 00:07:52,960 That is the hand that took their food. 92 00:07:56,360 --> 00:07:58,560 Sanitary conditions were so appalling 93 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,520 that heavy equipment had to be brought in 94 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:02,480 to speed the work of cleaning up. 95 00:08:07,200 --> 00:08:11,880 This was [inaudible], Belgium. 96 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:13,000 [moaning] 97 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,360 Remember men, no fraternization. 98 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:28,840 In a German town, if you bow to a pretty girl 99 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:31,200 or pat a blond child, you bow to all 100 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:34,640 the Hitler stood for, you bow his reign of blood, 101 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,200 you caress the ideology of men, death, and destruction. 102 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:41,600 You never know who was a member of the Nazi party. 103 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:42,920 Don't be fooled. 104 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Don't fraternize. 105 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,600 [MUSIC - "CHATTANOOGA CHOO CHOO"] 106 00:08:56,800 --> 00:08:58,400 [banging] 107 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,320 [thunk] 108 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,120 [shatter] 109 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:03,280 [clapping] 110 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,120 Cigarette, chewing gum? 111 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:18,480 Mister-- cigarette, chewing gum? 112 00:09:41,080 --> 00:09:43,280 We're going to have the heating fixed by tonight. 113 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,560 Fraulein, this is Major Arnold. 114 00:09:59,560 --> 00:10:02,280 Sir, this is your secretary, Fraulein Emmi Straube. 115 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:03,920 Her file is on your desk. 116 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:05,600 They sent her over from admin. 117 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:06,400 I leave you to it. 118 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:10,240 You live here in Berlin? 119 00:10:10,240 --> 00:10:10,680 Yes. 120 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:15,640 You do shorthand and typing? 121 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:17,600 Yes. 122 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:23,400 OK, let's see here. 123 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:34,120 How long were you in the camp for? 124 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:34,800 Three months. 125 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:39,840 It says here because of your father. 126 00:10:39,840 --> 00:10:41,480 What's that mean? 127 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,240 My father was one of the officers 128 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:45,200 in a plot against Hitler. 129 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,280 They arrested the plotters and their families. 130 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:53,200 And your mother too. 131 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:54,120 She's suffered longer. 132 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,800 She was in Ravensbr ck. 133 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,440 And your father was executed. 134 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,040 I'm going to call you Emmi. 135 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:09,000 And you're going to call me Steve, OK? 136 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,560 I got a list of stuff here I'd like you to get for me. 137 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,600 If you need anything, let me know. 138 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:30,280 Major. 139 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:30,680 Steve. 140 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:38,200 There's been messages for you. 141 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:42,520 A Lieutenant David Wills called, um, from-- 142 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,160 from the Allied Kommandatura of Cultural Affairs 143 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,560 office in Brisbane. 144 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:48,080 I don't know who he is. 145 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:49,960 And, um, there have been three calls 146 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,880 from Dr. Furtwangler wanting to know when you wish to see him. 147 00:11:53,880 --> 00:11:55,160 I didn't speak to him personally. 148 00:11:55,160 --> 00:11:57,840 Think you can get me any of that? 149 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:00,960 Oh, yes, Major. 150 00:12:00,960 --> 00:12:03,200 I have recordings of all his symphonies, Sir. 151 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:06,000 Kept them safe during the bombing. 152 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:09,720 My favorite is the Seventh Symphony. 153 00:12:09,720 --> 00:12:10,520 Mine is the 11th. 154 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,720 But he only wrote nine, Major. 155 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,160 I'm kidding, Emmi. 156 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,440 What about a record player? 157 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:20,200 You have that too? 158 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,760 No, ours was damaged. 159 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:24,800 What's in those files? 160 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,440 The names of the members of the Berlin Philharmonic Orchestra 161 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:31,040 since 1934, together with the questionnaires. 162 00:12:38,200 --> 00:12:43,000 Major, what am I to tell Dr. Furtwangler? 163 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:46,600 You tell him nothing, Emmi. 164 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,480 If he calls again, you say you know nothing. 165 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,960 We're going to keep him waiting while I get acquainted 166 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:55,520 with this case and with the witnesses 167 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:58,880 and, God help me, with Beethoven. 168 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:00,360 [indistinct chatter] 169 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,600 [violin music playing] 170 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:26,680 [indistinct chatter] 171 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:34,680 [knocking] 172 00:13:35,240 --> 00:13:37,400 Yeah. 173 00:13:37,400 --> 00:13:40,120 Lieutenant Will's reporting to Major Arnold, Sir. 174 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:43,000 For Christ sakes, I hate that shit. 175 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Cut it out. 176 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:46,520 Very sorry. 177 00:13:46,520 --> 00:13:47,440 I'm so sorry. 178 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:48,080 [sighs] 179 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:49,000 I'm Steve Arnold. 180 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:49,840 What's your name? 181 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:51,240 David-- David Wills. 182 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:53,840 I'm your liaison officer with the Allied Kommandatura 183 00:13:53,840 --> 00:13:55,800 Cultural Affairs Committee, Sir. 184 00:13:55,800 --> 00:13:57,200 Sounds like a lot of fun. 185 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,040 So they sent the big guns to check up on me, huh? 186 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:02,480 We were recruiting children now? 187 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:03,840 I guess so, Sir. 188 00:14:03,840 --> 00:14:07,120 You call me sir again, I'll make you listen to Beethoven. 189 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:09,640 Where are you from, David? 190 00:14:09,640 --> 00:14:12,040 I was born here, in Leipzig. 191 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,520 I escaped in '36. 192 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,400 My parents, they sent me to my uncle in Philadelphia. 193 00:14:16,400 --> 00:14:21,800 They were to follow, but they delayed and-- 194 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:23,840 our family name was [inaudible]. 195 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:25,320 But it doesn't sound well in English, 196 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:26,480 so my uncle changed it to Wills. 197 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:27,240 I'm sorry, Sir. 198 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,680 Oh, come in, Emmi. 199 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:31,240 This is your office too. 200 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,640 Emmi, this is Lieutenant David Wills. 201 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,360 He's here to watch over us. 202 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:40,280 I guess you admire musicians. 203 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:41,280 Some. 204 00:14:41,280 --> 00:14:43,000 Don't. 205 00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,800 This is like a criminal investigation, David. 206 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:50,200 Musicians, morticians, doctors, lawyers, butchers, clerks-- 207 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:53,000 they're all the same. 208 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:55,400 We have a duty-- 209 00:14:55,400 --> 00:14:56,240 a moral duty. 210 00:14:56,240 --> 00:14:57,200 [MUSIC - "SYMPHONY NO. 211 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:57,840 5 IN C MINOR"] 212 00:14:57,840 --> 00:15:00,680 It works. 213 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:03,080 Hallelujah. 214 00:15:03,080 --> 00:15:04,000 Elder Werner. 215 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:12,760 Sit down, Werner. 216 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,680 I want you to understand why you're here. 217 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,680 This is an investigation into Wilhelm Furtwangler, 218 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:33,400 a former Prussian Privy Councilor banned 219 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,720 from public life under Control Council Directive Number 24, 220 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:40,440 and who's applied to come before the tribunal for artists 221 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:42,000 of the de-nazification commission. 222 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:44,960 I'm interested what he was up to from 1933 223 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,600 to the end of the war, understood? 224 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:50,320 Yes. 225 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Rudolf Otto Werner, wind section since 1936. 226 00:15:57,080 --> 00:15:58,960 What instrument did you play? 227 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,120 First oboe. 228 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:02,520 I have your questionnaire here. 229 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:06,000 It says you were never a member of the Nazi party. 230 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:07,200 Absolutely not. 231 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:11,240 No, I was never a Nazi. 232 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:12,600 I have no interest in politics. 233 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:13,280 I'm a musician. 234 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:14,960 Hey hey, slow down. 235 00:16:14,960 --> 00:16:17,600 Fraulein Straube has to take down what you say. 236 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:24,520 Straube-- any relation to Colonel [? jochim ?] Straube? 237 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:26,360 My father. 238 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:28,640 It's a great honor to meet you, Fraulein. 239 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:30,120 Your father was a great patriot. 240 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:36,120 Dr. Furtwangler is a great musician. 241 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,160 He actively opposed the Nazis. 242 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,360 And later on, he helped many Jews to escape. 243 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:42,800 Then how do you explain him being made a Prussian Privy 244 00:16:42,800 --> 00:16:43,760 Councilor? 245 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:45,200 That was Hermann Goering. 246 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,800 I was told he just made the maestro his Privy Council, 247 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:49,240 no questions asked. 248 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,240 But Dr. Furtwangler stood up to him and to Dr. Goebbels. 249 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,440 He also conducted for Hitler, didn't he? 250 00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:59,840 Yes, that's true. 251 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:05,040 But he refused to give the Nazi salute in Hitler's presence. 252 00:17:05,040 --> 00:17:06,000 It was a brave act. 253 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,800 Brave? 254 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:11,040 To celebrate Hitler's birthday with some heroic piece 255 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,520 by Wagner but without the Nazi salute. 256 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:14,600 Bravo. 257 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,120 It was Beethoven's Ninth. 258 00:17:16,120 --> 00:17:19,160 Do you really think it was brave? 259 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:21,200 Didn't he bowed to him and shake his hand? 260 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,200 No. 261 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,600 No, no, I give you my word. 262 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,040 I never was a member of the Nazi party, never. 263 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:34,240 I'm in the percussion section. 264 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,600 I play the tympani. 265 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:38,840 Anyway, they would never have allowed it. 266 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,040 My brother was married to a Jewess. 267 00:17:41,040 --> 00:17:43,000 May she rest in peace. 268 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,640 And, uh, Goebbels said, uh-- uh-- 269 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,720 please take this down carefully, because it's 270 00:17:47,720 --> 00:17:51,000 most important Fraulein. 271 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,400 Straube. 272 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:54,880 Straube-- oh, are you by any chance related to Colonel 273 00:17:54,880 --> 00:17:57,360 [? jochim ?] Straube. 274 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:58,560 My father. 275 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,160 Oh, he was-- he was a great hero. 276 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,680 Uh, Goebbels-- yes, Joseph Goebbels said, 277 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:14,080 there's not a single filthy Jew left in Germany on whose behalf 278 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,880 Dr. Furtwangler has not intervened. 279 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,600 No, no one could have been less of a Nazi than Dr. Furtwangler. 280 00:18:18,600 --> 00:18:21,480 This was the same guy who conducted for Adolf 281 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:22,280 on his birthday. 282 00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,280 He was forced to do that. 283 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:26,760 But he refused to give the Nazi salute in front of Hitler. 284 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,040 He kept the baton in his hand. 285 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:29,160 You can't salute with a baton in your hand. 286 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,360 And what about the Nuremberg rally? 287 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:38,080 No, we, uh-- we played on the evening before the rally. 288 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,400 Oh, the evening before. 289 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,080 I see. 290 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:43,480 Yes, sir. 291 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:47,320 Dr. Furtwangler was absolutely clear about this. 292 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,400 Politics and art must be kept separate. 293 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:53,840 Politics and art must be kept separate. 294 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:55,400 I'll remember that. 295 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:59,120 Um, but let me see if you're going to help me with something 296 00:18:59,120 --> 00:19:00,960 I just don't understand. 297 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:03,640 I'd really like to know why all you 298 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,200 guys are so crazy about him? 299 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,960 What's his secret? 300 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,560 Well, it's hard to explain. 301 00:19:08,560 --> 00:19:10,240 I can only tell from my own experience. 302 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,640 Soon after I joined the orchestra, 303 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:15,560 we rehearsed the Third Symphony of Beethoven, the Eroica. 304 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,480 And there are several rather difficult passages 305 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:21,800 for the tympani, one particular crescendo. 306 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:25,000 During the break, I asked him how he wanted to play it. 307 00:19:25,000 --> 00:19:26,800 He was studying his score. 308 00:19:26,800 --> 00:19:27,680 He didn't look up. 309 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,800 He said, just watch me. 310 00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,000 And so, of course, I did. 311 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:33,560 I never stopped watching him. 312 00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:39,160 The moment came, and suddenly he turned to me. 313 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:42,120 And our eyes were locked. 314 00:19:42,120 --> 00:19:44,360 And there was something in his look 315 00:19:44,360 --> 00:19:47,760 that simply demanded the crescendo. 316 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:48,960 I shall never forget this look. 317 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,600 It was a moment of-- 318 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:52,400 of magic. 319 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,200 You ever seen Adolf Hitler's eyes 320 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,280 when he was making a speech? 321 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:02,440 I've seen him on films. 322 00:20:05,040 --> 00:20:06,200 Yes. 323 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,000 Was looking at Furtwangler like that? 324 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,280 I don't know what you mean, Major. 325 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,080 When you got to the crescendo. 326 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:22,720 You think a whole orchestra, 120 so guys could be orchestrated. 327 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:25,440 Yes, it's possible. 328 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,040 So what does the Russki want? 329 00:20:27,040 --> 00:20:30,640 Colonal Dymshitz asks specially to see you. 330 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:31,200 Dymshitz? 331 00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:41,960 I'm talking now with General [inaudible],, 332 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,840 who is in charge of the French sector. 333 00:20:43,840 --> 00:20:46,000 [indistinct chatter] 334 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,800 (WHISPERING) What the hell are they doing? 335 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:06,480 They're trying to sort out some of the works of art 336 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,600 the Nazis stole from occupied territories. 337 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:11,840 Who really owns what? 338 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,360 That-- that's Colonel Dymshitz on the far side. 339 00:21:14,360 --> 00:21:17,840 Art historian, head of the famous Leningrad Museum of Art. 340 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,600 He's an expert on German culture. 341 00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:24,200 [speaking french] 342 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:25,600 Henry, what did he say? 343 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,280 He's saying that picture is the property of France. 344 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,320 [speaking french] 345 00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:32,400 I know who Georges Braque is. 346 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,520 I know, Captain. 347 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,200 We can produce the provenance of his Braque. 348 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,320 You say provenance? 349 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,520 Hello, Major. 350 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:45,400 [inaudible] Dymshitz. 351 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:46,560 Colonel, good to see you. 352 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:47,880 Pleasure. 353 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,840 So Major, tell me, have you questioned Dr. Furtwangler. 354 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:53,400 Not yet. 355 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,600 I had two meetings with him. 356 00:21:56,600 --> 00:21:59,680 He's great musician, maybe the greatest conductor 357 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:01,400 in the world. 358 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,680 His Brahms, Beethoven, Schubert-- 359 00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:06,040 unequal. 360 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:07,720 I'll come straight to the point. 361 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,000 I offer him very attractive position, conductor of 362 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,880 [inaudible]. 363 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:16,400 And he refused. 364 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:18,200 But I want him. 365 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,560 I want him badly. 366 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,720 And I want your help. 367 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,120 Now, just a moment. 368 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:25,200 Uh, you should have discussed this with me first. 369 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,080 I'll discuss it with you now. 370 00:22:27,080 --> 00:22:30,960 Major, I'll allow you to drop your investigation, 371 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:34,600 save everybody time and trouble. 372 00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,560 We can't just drop a case just like that. 373 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:41,800 I'll give you another conductor in exchange, writers, musicians 374 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:42,680 next. 375 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,240 What-- what do you care? 376 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,000 But I like Furtwangler. 377 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,400 He's my favorite conductor. 378 00:22:49,400 --> 00:22:55,080 Mine and Hitler, he's our favorite conductor. 379 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,760 [indistinct chatter] 380 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,360 I click my heels and I bow at the same time. 381 00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:01,840 [click] 382 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,120 [giggling] 383 00:23:03,120 --> 00:23:04,560 That's because you had a proper upbringing. 384 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:05,360 That's right. 385 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:06,200 I was raised very strictly. 386 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,360 We were very German. 387 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,040 So don't speak before you spoken to. 388 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:13,200 Oh, and don't wave your hands about. 389 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,240 Respect your elders and your betters. 390 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:16,760 And no elbows on the table. 391 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:18,440 Eating is eating. 392 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:19,120 And-- 393 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:19,720 Talking is talking. 394 00:23:23,040 --> 00:23:25,640 Well, I think we better get on. 395 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:26,800 [clears throat] 396 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,000 Right, so this is going to be very formal too now. 397 00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:31,800 Lieutenant David Wills requests the pleasure 398 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,800 of the company of Fraulein Emmi Straube at dinner, 399 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:35,720 any night she cares. 400 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:40,040 [snickering] 401 00:23:44,240 --> 00:23:46,320 David, I need to ask you something. 402 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,800 Have you heard this rumor the British found something 403 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:56,600 called the Hinkel Archive? 404 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:57,720 Yes. 405 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,880 So what is it? 406 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,760 Uh, the British occupied the building 407 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,960 where this guy, uh, Hinkel-- 408 00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:04,800 Hans Hinkel ran a Nazi ministry of culture. 409 00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:08,600 And it seems they've discovered a secret archive. 410 00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:09,600 What's that mean? 411 00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,640 I don't know. 412 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:11,520 But the British are very excited about it. 413 00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:12,920 I know that. 414 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:14,600 The rumor is that Hinkel kept a file on every artist working 415 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:15,680 in the Third Reich. 416 00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:19,040 Jeez, and you think the British will share it 417 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,400 with their allies? 418 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,280 Major Richards said he called to let us know. 419 00:24:22,280 --> 00:24:24,600 Well, that's big of him. 420 00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:27,240 OK, better question the next witness. 421 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,200 I'll bet you a bottle of French champagne 422 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:33,600 he tells us the baton story inside 10 minutes. 423 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:34,680 Five minutes. 424 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:35,640 It's a bet. 425 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,800 You're the witness, Emmi. 426 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:46,080 Helmut Alfred Rode, second violinist since 1935. 427 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,880 What does it mean, second violinist? 428 00:24:49,880 --> 00:24:54,520 It means I wasn't good enough to be a first violinist. 429 00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:55,120 Good. 430 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:04,400 And according to your questionnaire, Helmut, 431 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,600 you never joined the Nazi party. 432 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:09,280 Me, never. 433 00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:13,080 Never, I-- I know everyone else says they were never Nazis, 434 00:25:13,080 --> 00:25:15,640 but in my case, it is absolutely, 100% true. 435 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,760 I'm a Catholic. 436 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,160 It would have been totally against my conscience. 437 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,720 Is it true you're going to interview 438 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,200 Dr. Furtwangler today? 439 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,640 I'll ask the questions, Helmut. 440 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,280 Excuse me. 441 00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:38,120 Did you know that he refused to give the Nazi salute when 442 00:25:38,120 --> 00:25:41,400 Hitler was present in the audience? 443 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:42,840 The-- the problem was, how could he 444 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:46,840 avoid giving the devil salute when Satan was actually 445 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:47,960 sitting there? 446 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:50,560 And I said, Dr. Furtwangler, why not 447 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,240 enter with a baton in your right hand. 448 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:53,800 Hitler will be sitting in the front row. 449 00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,800 And if you give the salute with a baton in your right hand, 450 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,040 it'll look like you're going to poke his eyes out. 451 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,160 [chuckles] 452 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:10,800 He was-- he was really grateful to me for that. 453 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,400 After the concert, I-- 454 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:18,040 I stole that baton as a memento of a great act of courage. 455 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,320 I still have it. 456 00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,080 I should have brought it to show you. 457 00:26:27,120 --> 00:26:30,480 I hope I'm not going too fast for you, Fraulein, uh-- 458 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:31,800 Straube. 459 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:36,440 Straube-- any relation to Colonel [? jochim ?] Straube? 460 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,800 My father. 461 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:39,960 I'm deeply honored to be in your presence, Fraulein Straube. 462 00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:43,440 Your father was a true patriot, a man of God. 463 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,280 You have a question for Helmut, David. 464 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,680 Uh, yes, what was the orchestra's reaction 465 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,040 when they asked you to play it for Hitler's birthday? 466 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:51,400 We didn't play for his birthday. 467 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,840 We played the evening before. 468 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:56,640 It was the 19th of April, not the 20th. 469 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:01,320 Do you know Hans Hinkel? 470 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,000 Do I know Hans Hinkel? 471 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,200 That's what I asked. 472 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,600 Do I know Hans Hinkel? 473 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:10,200 You seem to understand the question. 474 00:27:10,200 --> 00:27:11,440 Now, how about answering it. 475 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,600 Hans Hinkel was in the Ministry of Culture. 476 00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,000 How could I know such a man? 477 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:25,240 I hear the-- the British have his archive-- 478 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,400 records and files. 479 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,040 Do you know what's in this archive? 480 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,840 How could I know what's in the archive? 481 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:34,280 OK, you can go, Helmut. 482 00:27:34,280 --> 00:27:35,000 Get out. 483 00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:54,440 [MUSIC - "SYMPHONY NO. 484 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,640 5 IN C MINOR] 485 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,680 [speaking german] 486 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:00,200 Furtwangler. 487 00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:16,960 Major-- Major, he's here. 488 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,320 Shut the door, Emmi. 489 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,360 Sit down. 490 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,000 We're going to keep him waiting. 491 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Emmi, get us some coffee, will you? 492 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,080 Don't offer him coffee. 493 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,240 Don't even greet him. 494 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,600 [whistling] 495 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:07,400 Fraulein-- 496 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,200 [door closes] 497 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,320 Fraulein, how long am I to be kept waiting? 498 00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,200 OK, Emmi, go get him. 499 00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:22,000 Dr. Furtwangler. 500 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,000 I didn't hear anyone invite you to sit down. 501 00:31:59,080 --> 00:31:59,760 Sit there. 502 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,480 I want you to understand why you're here. 503 00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,600 You're automatically banned from public life 504 00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,920 under Controlled Council Directive Number 24. 505 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:17,400 We're here to look into your case 506 00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:19,600 before you appear in front of the tribunal for artists 507 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,000 of the de-nazification commission. 508 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,640 Do you understand that? 509 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:26,040 I've already been cleared by de-nazification tribunal 510 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,360 in Austria. 511 00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:28,840 What they do in Austria it doesn't 512 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:32,200 interest me one little bit, OK? 513 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:35,040 I have your questionnaire here. 514 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:40,800 Gustav Heinrich Ernst Martin Wilhelm Furtwangler, 515 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:46,360 born Berlin, January 1886, orchestral conductor. 516 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:49,800 And you say here you were never a member of the Nazi party. 517 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,200 Yes, that is correct. 518 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,600 Could you tell us about being made a Prussian Privy 519 00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:54,720 Councilor? 520 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:56,560 How did that happen to a non-party member? 521 00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,200 I received a telegram from Hermann Goering informing me 522 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:01,720 that he had made me a privy councilor. 523 00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,160 I wasn't giving the opportunity either to accept or refuse. 524 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,880 And after the-- the dreadful events of November 1938, 525 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,200 the violent attacks on the Jews, I-- 526 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,560 I stopped using the title. 527 00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:19,320 What about Vice President of the Chamber of Music. 528 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,240 You used that title, didn't you? 529 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:23,360 But then, I suppose you had no choice there either, 530 00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,840 because I suppose that the Goebbels just 531 00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,240 sent you a telegram saying, Dear, Mr. Vice President. 532 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,320 I don't think Dr. Goebbels sent me a telegram. 533 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,720 I was simply told in a letter, I believe. 534 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:34,240 I don't remember exactly. 535 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:36,520 Hell, Goebbels and Goering were sure heaping honors on you. 536 00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:38,280 One makes you a privy councilor, the other 537 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:42,040 makes you Vice President of the Chamber of Music. 538 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:43,880 And you weren't even a member of the party. 539 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:45,120 How do you explain that? 540 00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,720 Well, there was a constant battle 541 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:49,800 between Goering and Goebbels, as to which of them would 542 00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:51,000 control German culture. 543 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:54,120 And I was simply a pawn. 544 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,000 Anyway, I resigned from [inaudible] at the same time 545 00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,600 I resigned as musical director of the Berlin Philharmonic 546 00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,000 Orchestra in 1934. 547 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,160 Why was that? 548 00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:03,360 Why did you resign, Dr. Furtwangler? 549 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,200 I wrote an open letter to the newspapers 550 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,880 condemning what they were doing to music, 551 00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:10,640 making these distinctions between Jews and non-Jews. 552 00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,640 For my part, the only divide in artists 553 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:15,000 is between good and bad. 554 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,040 Eventually, Goebbels summoned me and told me 555 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:20,600 I could leave the country if I wanted to. 556 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,200 But under no condition would I ever be allowed to return. 557 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,840 I've always believed that you have to fight from the inside, 558 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:31,120 not from without. 559 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,720 I asked myself, what is the duty of an artist, 560 00:34:33,720 --> 00:34:36,360 to stay or to leave? 561 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:38,040 And then Goebbels demanded that I 562 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:39,960 acknowledge Hitler as solely responsible 563 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,160 for cultural policy. 564 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,840 Well, that was a fact. 565 00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,200 Seemed pointless to deny. 566 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:50,400 I simply acknowledge that Hitler and the Minister of Culture 567 00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,400 appointed by him were solely responsible 568 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:54,080 for the cultural policy of the Reich. 569 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:56,440 What I wanted to express was that I, personally, 570 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:59,320 had no responsibility whatsoever for their cultural policy. 571 00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:04,280 I've always held the view that art and politics should have 572 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:05,800 nothing to do with each other. 573 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,400 Then why did you conduct at one of their Nuremberg rallies? 574 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:13,160 I-- I did not conduct at-- at the rally. 575 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,240 I conducted on the evening before the rally. 576 00:35:15,240 --> 00:35:16,080 [scoffs] 577 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,000 That sounds like the small print in one of our insurance 578 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,600 policies, Wilhelm. 579 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:25,920 And what about April 19, 1942, the eve of Hitler's 580 00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:28,440 53rd birthday, the big celebration? 581 00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,200 You conducted for Hitler, didn't you? 582 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,720 Was that in keeping with your view 583 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,920 that art and politics have nothing to do with each other? 584 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:39,600 But that-- that was a different matter. 585 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:40,400 I was tricked. 586 00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:41,080 How come? 587 00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:46,320 Could I have a glass of water, please? 588 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:51,040 Please, Fraulein-- 589 00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:51,640 Straube. 590 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:09,160 Thank you. 591 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:20,600 Thank you. 592 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,640 I was in Vienna rehearsing the Ninth Symphony of Beethoven 593 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,760 when Goebbels called and said I had to conduct 594 00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,800 at Hitler's birthday. 595 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,080 I'd always managed to wriggle out of such invitations 596 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,320 by pleading previous engagements, illness, having 597 00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,960 my doctors state I was not well, and so on, and so on. 598 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,400 I was also fortunate that [inaudible] [? von shaeback, ?] 599 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,600 who controlled Vienna, hated Dr. Goebbels 600 00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,840 and would do anything to thwart his wishes. 601 00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:53,400 But this time Goebbels got to my doctors before me. 602 00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,200 And they were frightened off. 603 00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:57,600 [? von shaeback ?] was threatened, bullied, 604 00:36:57,600 --> 00:36:59,400 and gave in. 605 00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,000 So I had no alternative but to conduct for Hitler. 606 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,800 Believe me, I-- 607 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,200 I knew I had compromised. 608 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:10,240 And I deeply regret it. 609 00:37:10,240 --> 00:37:13,000 Doesn't sound like much of a trick to me. 610 00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:14,600 Sounds like you made a deal. 611 00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:16,600 I made no deal. 612 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:17,720 I don't buy that. 613 00:37:17,720 --> 00:37:18,400 It's the truth. 614 00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,080 I keep hearing you helped a lot of Jews to escape. 615 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:25,200 How did you do that? 616 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,120 I don't remember in detail. 617 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:31,200 There were so many. 618 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,600 Did you call someone you knew? 619 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:33,600 Oh, I may have. 620 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,080 As I said, I simply don't remember. 621 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:36,520 Let me help you. 622 00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:40,040 You picked up the phone and made a call. 623 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,040 Hello, Adolph, Wilhelm speaking. 624 00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,080 Listen, old pal, there's a Jew boy musician 625 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:46,200 I'd like you to help. 626 00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:48,840 He needs a permit to get to Paris. 627 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,040 Or maybe you call, Goebbels or Goering. 628 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:52,640 You were so close. 629 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:55,960 You were in the same shithouse as them. 630 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,040 May I ask you a question? 631 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:58,280 Sure. 632 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:00,360 When will my case be heard by the tribunal? 633 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:04,160 Your guess is as good as mine. 634 00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,880 I need to work. 635 00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,040 I need to make my living. 636 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,520 I live off the generosity of friends. 637 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,680 Tough. 638 00:38:10,680 --> 00:38:12,200 Tough! 639 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:14,400 Then why is it, please, that another conductor, who actually 640 00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:17,440 was a member of the party, who used to play the [inaudible] 641 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,640 before his concerts, has already been cleared 642 00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:24,000 and he's working again, while I have to wait and wait and wait? 643 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:24,800 I don't know. 644 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:25,640 It wasn't my case? 645 00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:29,840 Why did you escape to Switzerland 646 00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:32,240 just before the war ended? 647 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:34,280 What? 648 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:35,960 Why did you escape to Switzerland 649 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,640 just before the war ended? 650 00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,960 It was because I learned that the Gestapo was 651 00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,280 about to arrest me. 652 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:42,960 Why were they going to arrest you? 653 00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:44,560 I believe it was because of another letter 654 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,320 I'd written to Goebbels, lamenting 655 00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:51,320 the decline of musical standards due to racial policies. 656 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,120 You didn't complain about the racial policies, just about 657 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,440 the musical standards? 658 00:38:58,440 --> 00:38:59,200 Is that right? 659 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,080 So how did you learn that the Gestapo was out to get you? 660 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,120 During an enforced hour-long interval 661 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,440 because of a power failure at a concert here in Berlin. 662 00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,000 Albert Speer, the Minister of Parliament said to me, 663 00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,240 you look very tired, Mr. Furtwangler. 664 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,200 You should go abroad for a while. 665 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:18,680 I knew exactly what he meant. 666 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,760 You sure knew a lot of people in high places. 667 00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:21,560 [sighs] 668 00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:25,320 Well, it would be true to say I think that a lot of people 669 00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:26,480 in high places knew me. 670 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,640 You were real close to all of them-- 671 00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:34,840 to Adolf, to Hermann, to Josef, to Baldur, and now Albert. 672 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,520 So let's hear the truth, Wilhelm. 673 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,920 Let's come clean. 674 00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:41,040 What was your party number? 675 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,080 [scoffs] 676 00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:44,600 If you're going to bully me like this, Major, 677 00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:46,360 you better do your homework. 678 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:49,200 You obviously have no idea how impertinent and stupid 679 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:50,040 your questions are. 680 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,680 [chuckles] 681 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,960 David, you remember, I said I had a question for Wilhelm 682 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:59,320 that he wouldn't be able to answer. 683 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,600 Well, I'm going to ask it now. 684 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:02,760 You ready for this, Wilhelm? 685 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,640 It's a tough one. 686 00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:06,800 Why didn't you get out right at the start 687 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,200 when Hitler came to power in '33? 688 00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,440 Why didn't you leave Germany? 689 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,880 I have a list of names, people in your profession who got out 690 00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:19,240 in '33-- 691 00:40:19,240 --> 00:40:22,000 Bruno Walter, Otto Klemperer, Arnold Schoenberg, 692 00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,800 Max Reinhardt. 693 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:23,600 They were Jews. 694 00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,800 They had to leave. 695 00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,840 They were right to leave. 696 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:32,000 I could not leave my country in the deepest misery. 697 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,040 After all, I am German. 698 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,640 I-- I-- I stayed in my homeland. 699 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,120 Is that my sin in your eyes? 700 00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,800 See, David, he can't answer the question. 701 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,640 I'm going to ask it again, Wilhelm. 702 00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,600 But don't give me any more airy-fairy 703 00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:54,840 intellectual bullshit. 704 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:55,600 [phone rings] 705 00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,480 Major Arnold's office. 706 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,200 Yes, he is. 707 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,440 It's Major Richards for Lieutenant David Wills. 708 00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:07,800 David Wills. 709 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,240 Yes, sir. 710 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,240 What, you want me to tell him? 711 00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:15,400 OK, uh, Major Richards wants a word with you, Sir. 712 00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:17,600 Why can't he just ask for me? 713 00:41:17,600 --> 00:41:19,840 Why does he have to ask for you first? 714 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,280 God damn British, so correct. 715 00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:27,000 Steve Arnold. 716 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:27,840 Huh? 717 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,480 I've had enough of this. 718 00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:30,080 I'm leaving. 719 00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:34,240 Dr. Furtwangler. 720 00:41:34,240 --> 00:41:36,680 Dr. Furtwangler, please-- please. 721 00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:37,520 Don't. 722 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,680 It's not advisable. 723 00:41:40,680 --> 00:41:44,320 When I was a child, my father, he took me to-- 724 00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,080 took me to one of your concerts. 725 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:51,160 I remember you conducted Beethoven's Fifth Symphony. 726 00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:53,680 I was deeply moved. 727 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:55,400 And I've loved music ever since. 728 00:41:55,400 --> 00:42:00,600 I was grateful to you and I've admired you. 729 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,360 How could you-- how could you serve those criminals? 730 00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,080 How many? 731 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:13,400 Jesus, that's dynamite. 732 00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:14,200 OK. 733 00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:15,640 Dr. Furtwangler. 734 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:23,360 Well now, aren't we all sociable? 735 00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:26,040 I've got to hand it to the British, David. 736 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,360 You know what those guys are? 737 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:29,680 Decent. 738 00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,760 Tell me here, Dr. Furtwangler, you know Hans Hinkel. 739 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:36,200 I know of him. 740 00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,160 Despicable human being. 741 00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,680 He was in the Ministry of Culture. 742 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:41,880 His job was to get rid of Jews in the yards. 743 00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:42,920 Yep, that's him. 744 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:44,160 That's the guy. 745 00:42:44,160 --> 00:42:45,360 You know what else the little creep did? 746 00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:49,240 He kept files-- close to 250,000 files. 747 00:42:49,240 --> 00:42:51,040 And you know what's in those files? 748 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,200 Certainly not, but I-- 749 00:42:52,200 --> 00:42:54,200 I knew he had informers everywhere, 750 00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,440 even in my orchestra there was someone. 751 00:42:56,440 --> 00:42:57,040 Who? 752 00:42:57,040 --> 00:42:58,360 I wasn't told. 753 00:42:58,360 --> 00:42:59,720 I just knew. 754 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:00,560 How? 755 00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,960 I was warned. 756 00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,360 Who warned you? 757 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,960 Goering, because Hinkel was working for Goebbels. 758 00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,280 What did Goering say? 759 00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,000 He told me to be careful as one of Goebbels' men 760 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,280 was watching me. 761 00:43:10,280 --> 00:43:11,560 He read a report on me. 762 00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:13,040 Everything I said was quoted word by word. 763 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,080 [laughing] 764 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,920 Oh, boy, you're going to love this. 765 00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,960 Take your time with this now. 766 00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:25,080 Those files contain the details of every working 767 00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:26,800 artist in this country. 768 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:31,280 Those files are going to tell us who joined the party, who 769 00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,200 informed, and who was helpful. 770 00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:35,080 Your name, please? 771 00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:36,480 David Wills, sir. 772 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:37,080 Over there. 773 00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:47,680 Fantastic. 774 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,840 Only condition is we have to do the work here. 775 00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,200 I want you to collect all the files on the boys in the band. 776 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,040 [pigeons cooing] 777 00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:07,480 Maybe you can have a look at this. 778 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:15,680 [whispering] 779 00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,680 [music - string quintet in c] 780 00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:03,080 [rain pattering] 781 00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:28,400 [cheering] 782 00:47:33,000 --> 00:47:37,240 Dr. Furtwangler, moving, [inaudible] you agree. 783 00:47:37,240 --> 00:47:39,400 [inaudible] Schubert. 784 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:39,880 I am more. 785 00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:41,240 You agree? 786 00:47:41,240 --> 00:47:43,240 The tempi were a little too correct for my taste. 787 00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:44,680 But I expect that is-- 788 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:46,080 that's because of the rain. 789 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:49,520 Uh, Doctor, uh, I understand you have difficulties 790 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:51,000 with the Americans. 791 00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,600 I want you to know I am your champion. 792 00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:54,320 We can help. 793 00:47:58,240 --> 00:48:00,160 What does he mean too correct? 794 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,480 I don't know. 795 00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,760 [music - "route 66"] Go through St. Louie, Joplin, Missouri, 796 00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,400 and Oklahoma City is mighty pretty, you see Amarillo, 797 00:48:11,400 --> 00:48:15,400 Gallup, New Mexico, Flagstaff, Arizona, don't forget Winona, 798 00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:17,920 Kingman, Barstow, San Bernandido, 799 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,400 won't you get hip to this timely tip. 800 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:27,200 When you make that California trip, 801 00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:30,200 Get your kicks on Route 66. 802 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:50,200 Go through St. Louie, Joplin, Missouri, and Oklahoma 803 00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:56,480 City is mighty pretty, see Amarillo, Gallup, New Mexico, 804 00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,200 Flagstaff, Arizona, don't forget Winona, Kingman, Barstow, San 805 00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,400 Bernandido, won't you get hip to this timely trip. 806 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:10,320 When you make that California trip. 807 00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:13,320 Get your kicks on Route 66. 808 00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:18,320 [applause] 809 00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:31,280 [music playing] 810 00:49:35,720 --> 00:49:37,680 [indistinct chatter] 811 00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,160 Thanks. 812 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,160 Well, what is this, the office party? 813 00:50:07,160 --> 00:50:08,360 May I join you? 814 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:15,200 So what have you two been up to tonight? 815 00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,840 Hey, don't I owe you a bottle of French champagne? 816 00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,440 [laughs] 817 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:23,000 You know, David, you're a lucky guy. 818 00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:26,080 I invited Emmi here, but she turned me down. 819 00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:27,800 You must have hidden depth, David. 820 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,800 [music - "route 66"] 821 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,400 Come on, Emmi, let's dance. 822 00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:36,600 I'll teach you how to jive. 823 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:37,600 I'm very sorry, Major. 824 00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,600 But I promised her mother, we have to go. 825 00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:46,280 [music - "route 66"] 826 00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:51,800 (SINGING) Get your kicks on Route 66. 827 00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:57,280 [inaudible] from Chicago to LA. 828 00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:02,000 More than 2,000 miles all the way, 829 00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,640 get your kicks on route 66. 830 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:08,840 Don't see me to my door. 831 00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:09,800 There's no need. 832 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,320 But I promised your mother. 833 00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:14,000 Well. 834 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:14,680 Sleep well. 835 00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:50,920 Excuse me, Major. 836 00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,680 I found this on Helmut Rode, you remember, the second violinist. 837 00:51:55,680 --> 00:51:58,600 Look, he's Austrian not German. 838 00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:04,480 But it's this that's more important, I think. 839 00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:06,040 [whistles] 840 00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,120 Psst. 841 00:52:11,120 --> 00:52:16,000 David Wills, telephone. 842 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:19,880 What is this, a railway station? 843 00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,680 David Wills, hello? 844 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,520 Uh-- uh, who-- who in his band? 845 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,320 Major. 846 00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:35,760 Helmut. 847 00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,720 Guess what I'm holding in my hand? 848 00:52:41,720 --> 00:52:43,440 You like guessing games? 849 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:45,120 Love them. 850 00:52:45,120 --> 00:52:46,240 I give up. 851 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:48,000 What are you holding in your hand? 852 00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,840 It's, uh, Dr. Furtwangler's baton which I-- 853 00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:51,960 which I stole. 854 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,000 The one he kept in his right hand? 855 00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,000 Yes, yes, you remember. 856 00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:56,000 How could I forget? 857 00:53:03,640 --> 00:53:06,080 Show me. 858 00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:06,800 Show you? 859 00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:08,080 Yeah, show me. 860 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:10,760 I want to see you do it. 861 00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:12,080 Pretend I'm Adolf. 862 00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:13,360 You're the maestro. 863 00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:14,600 And you have the baton in your right hand, 864 00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:16,520 but you give me the salute just the same. 865 00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:17,440 Not here, Major. 866 00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:18,040 There are people-- 867 00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:18,840 Do it, Helmut. 868 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:19,720 --which will see. 869 00:53:19,720 --> 00:53:20,560 Please-- please, Major. 870 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:27,760 Do it right. 871 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,600 You look great doing that. 872 00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:40,400 And I see what you mean. 873 00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:42,440 You nearly poked my eye out. 874 00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,800 Exactly. 875 00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:45,680 Don't worry, Helmut. 876 00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,040 It'll be our secret. 877 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,840 Mister, mister, here. 878 00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,000 Here, mister. 879 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:52,000 [laughs] 880 00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:54,800 Great catch kid. 881 00:53:54,800 --> 00:54:00,640 So you wanted to see me? 882 00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:03,400 You usually don't work on Sunday, Major. 883 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,000 All in the cause of humanity, Helmut. 884 00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:13,400 Or should I call you 10493310. 885 00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,200 What? 886 00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:19,600 10493310-- Or do you mind if I just call you One? 887 00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:27,640 [sighs] 888 00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:31,080 You know what I say you are, Helmut? 889 00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:33,840 I say you're a piece of shit. 890 00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:35,400 [retching] 891 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,840 That bastard. 892 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:50,440 Who's the bastard, Helmut? 893 00:54:50,440 --> 00:54:52,000 Hinkel? 894 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,080 Why? 895 00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:56,200 He promised to remove your file. 896 00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:57,400 And what about before that? 897 00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,080 What were you a member of in Austria? 898 00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:03,520 I was a member of-- 899 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,680 Speak up. 900 00:55:04,680 --> 00:55:07,520 I was a member of the Communist party. 901 00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:10,000 I was a communist. 902 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:12,000 That's-- that's what Hinkel had over me. 903 00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:15,560 He knew everything. 904 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:16,600 He held it over me. 905 00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,560 And that's how he met me corporate. 906 00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:19,800 Oh, I see. 907 00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:21,360 He made you cooperate. 908 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,480 And now are you a communist again? 909 00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:28,160 You don't know what it's like to wake up every single morning 910 00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:29,320 of your life terrified! 911 00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,480 You don't know that! 912 00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:39,640 I would never, in my wildest dream, 913 00:55:39,640 --> 00:55:45,400 ever become a second violinist in the Berlin Philharmonic. 914 00:55:45,400 --> 00:55:46,400 [sighs] 915 00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:53,920 When they-- when they got rid of the Jews in the orchestra, 916 00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:56,160 it gave people like me a chance. 917 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:59,960 Helmut, you ever heard of plea bargaining? 918 00:55:59,960 --> 00:56:01,480 Talk about power. 919 00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:05,920 I have the power to give you work and make your life easier. 920 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:08,320 Your past won't be mentioned. 921 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:09,640 I could give you a job tomorrow. 922 00:56:09,640 --> 00:56:11,960 But I have to get something in return. 923 00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:14,600 See, Helmut, that's plea bargaining. 924 00:56:14,600 --> 00:56:17,440 I could give you a freedom of movement, freedom to work, 925 00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:18,800 freedom, Helmut. 926 00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,280 But I need something in return. 927 00:56:23,560 --> 00:56:25,760 Major, we are discussing a man of genius. 928 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,400 Fuck that, Helmut. 929 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,360 You want to discuss symbols here. 930 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:30,600 This guy was a front man. 931 00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:32,400 He was the Piper, but he played there too. 932 00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,160 Do you get my philosophical meaning? 933 00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:37,360 I'm not after small fish, I'm after Moby Dick. 934 00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:40,160 Come on, Helmut, hard facts. 935 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:51,720 Well, the only thing I know is he's an anti-Semite. 936 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:53,080 Of course. 937 00:56:53,080 --> 00:56:57,800 You too, like everyone else in this goddamn country. 938 00:56:57,800 --> 00:56:59,600 I remember something else. 939 00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:01,320 Yeah? 940 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,800 Furtwangler sent Hitler a telegram for his birthday. 941 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:06,000 He did? 942 00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:07,640 One of your people told me. 943 00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:08,720 One of my people? 944 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:12,720 Yes, a corporal, US Army, a Jew. 945 00:57:12,720 --> 00:57:16,480 He said he'd seen the telegram in the chancellery. 946 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,600 Son of a gun. 947 00:57:18,600 --> 00:57:20,200 We'll find the corporal. 948 00:57:20,200 --> 00:57:22,840 We'll find the telegram. 949 00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:25,640 But I need documentary proof. 950 00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,000 You know of anything like that? 951 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,640 No, but that's why we hated him. 952 00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:31,520 We admired him as a conductor, but we all 953 00:57:31,520 --> 00:57:33,640 hated him because he didn't have to join the party 954 00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,200 and yet he had a better life than any of us. 955 00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:38,680 He didn't have to go and deliver a report after every trip 956 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:39,800 abroad. 957 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,480 He got everything from them-- 958 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,640 everything. 959 00:57:43,640 --> 00:57:47,320 He was filthier than any of us party members. 960 00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,440 There's a rumor-- I don't know if it's true or not, 961 00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:54,600 but ask him about von der N ll. 962 00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:55,600 I've never heard of him. 963 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:56,520 Who is he? 964 00:57:56,520 --> 00:57:59,240 Edwin von der N ll, music critic. 965 00:57:59,240 --> 00:58:01,040 He gave Furtwangler terrible reviews 966 00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,560 while he raved about Herbert von Karajan. 967 00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:04,680 Who's he? 968 00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:07,440 Also a conductor, very, very brilliant, young. 969 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,640 von der N ll called him the "Miracle von Karajan." 970 00:58:09,640 --> 00:58:12,480 And Furtwangler was outraged and they say, 971 00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:15,400 he had von der N ll conscripted into the army. 972 00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,320 Same thing happened to another critic. 973 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,520 Well, true or not, it's not such a bad idea. 974 00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,280 Critics give you bad reviews and you have 975 00:58:22,280 --> 00:58:26,000 them sent to the Russian front. 976 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:29,480 But if you really want to get Furtwangler, 977 00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:32,600 ask him about Herbert von Karajan. 978 00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:33,760 The miracle kid. 979 00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,280 Yes. 980 00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,080 Yes, you may notice that he cannot even bring himself 981 00:58:38,080 --> 00:58:39,640 to utter his name. 982 00:58:39,640 --> 00:58:49,080 He refers to him as K. And, um, ask him about his private life. 983 00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:50,880 His private life? 984 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:51,480 Yes. 985 00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:00,120 It's all in here, his women. 986 00:59:04,600 --> 00:59:07,560 And who gave you the assignment to gather the information 987 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,440 about his private life? 988 00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:10,000 Hinkel? 989 00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:11,240 [bell ringing] 990 00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,160 Where do you stand on all this? 991 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,760 On all what? 992 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,960 On Furtwangler. 993 00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,280 I don't know. 994 00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:31,880 You represent the United States of America now. 995 00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,160 We have a moral duty to be just. 996 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:35,480 And we have to be seen to be just. 997 00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,400 Major Arnold believes he has a moral duty too. 998 00:59:37,400 --> 00:59:39,880 Our duty is to help Furtwangler with his defense. 999 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:42,160 That's why I want you to look at this. 1000 00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:44,000 These are part of the transcripts 1001 00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:45,160 of the trial of Nuremberg. 1002 00:59:45,160 --> 00:59:46,520 We can't get it translated fast enough, 1003 00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:48,440 but I guess you understand German, right? 1004 00:59:48,440 --> 00:59:49,560 Mm-hmm. 1005 00:59:49,560 --> 00:59:51,880 That's the evidence of a guy named Delaris. 1006 00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:55,760 He's a Swede, friend of Hermann Goering. 1007 00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:56,760 I want you to study it. 1008 00:59:56,760 --> 00:59:58,520 And I want you to use it. 1009 00:59:58,520 --> 01:00:00,960 We're going to find some other stuff to supply you with. 1010 01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:02,480 We have other suggestions. 1011 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,280 We need to build up a case for the defense based 1012 01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,640 not on feelings, not on prejudice, but on facts. 1013 01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:15,320 [indistinct chatter] 1014 01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,440 Lieutenant Wills. 1015 01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:23,200 [inaudible] cello, Schmidt, viola. 1016 01:00:23,200 --> 01:00:24,920 They are willing to help. 1017 01:00:24,920 --> 01:00:27,120 We have already ordered ourselves coffee. 1018 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:27,800 [inaudible] 1019 01:00:27,800 --> 01:00:29,000 Of course. 1020 01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:30,200 The whole orchestra will vouch for him. 1021 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:31,720 He was always there to support us. 1022 01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:35,320 We need names, if possible with addresses, because it's urgent. 1023 01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,040 And names of musicians saved by Dr. Furtwangler, people 1024 01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:39,720 he helped to escape abroad. 1025 01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:41,120 Let's go somewhere less public. 1026 01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:56,600 [glasses clink] 1027 01:00:56,600 --> 01:00:58,240 I was in Vienna. 1028 01:00:58,240 --> 01:01:03,240 I had with me an Austrian chauffeur. 1029 01:01:03,240 --> 01:01:05,320 He spent time in the camps. 1030 01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:07,720 And we were looking at these Viennese 1031 01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:12,800 cleaning up the bomb damage, scavenging for rotting food, 1032 01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,680 butt ends, anything. 1033 01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:17,520 I said, to think, a million of these people 1034 01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:21,960 came out to welcome Adolf on the day he entered the city-- 1035 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,560 a million of them. 1036 01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,240 Now look at them. 1037 01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:30,680 And Mac said, oh, no, not these people, Major. 1038 01:01:30,680 --> 01:01:34,080 These people were all at home hiding Jews in their attic. 1039 01:01:34,080 --> 01:01:35,880 Ah, you get the point, Colonel. 1040 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:36,480 [groans] 1041 01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,480 The point is they're all full of shit. 1042 01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:45,040 Furtwangler is in a different category. 1043 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:48,480 We're dealing with the degenerates here. 1044 01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:51,800 Degenerate-- 1045 01:01:51,800 --> 01:01:52,480 [laughing] 1046 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:53,880 [inaudible] 1047 01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:58,040 That's why he didn't get out of here when he had the chance. 1048 01:01:58,040 --> 01:02:00,080 I put that to him. 1049 01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,960 He couldn't answer. 1050 01:02:01,960 --> 01:02:05,960 Why did he go and direct in America, 1051 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,360 like that Italian Toscanini? 1052 01:02:08,360 --> 01:02:11,720 Huh, perhaps he believed they could at least 1053 01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:14,440 try to preserve something important things, 1054 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:16,800 like an orchestra, a school. 1055 01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:21,920 [inaudible] maybe he has a mother who can't be left alone. 1056 01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,400 Maybe he has brothers, sisters-- 1057 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:28,040 Colonel, he had no sisters, no brothers, 1058 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:30,200 only a lot of love affairs. 1059 01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:33,400 Anyway, Major, why-- why he should 1060 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:37,080 leave his country, his mother tongue, his family, 1061 01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:42,240 his history, his past, his future, just because now 1062 01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,480 suddenly there is a dictatorship? 1063 01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:45,480 Why? 1064 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,680 But what-- before that turns rotten, 1065 01:02:50,680 --> 01:02:55,640 what if they surround the space with barbed wire, Colonel? 1066 01:02:55,640 --> 01:03:00,360 Don't talk about things you know nothing about. 1067 01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:01,960 He was in a dictatorship. 1068 01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:03,800 Art and politics, right? 1069 01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:04,800 I heard about that. 1070 01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,480 [inaudible] belong to the party. 1071 01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:13,760 If you want to be a conductor, you have to have an orchestra. 1072 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,480 And you can only get the orchestra 1073 01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,520 if you have contact with the power. 1074 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,200 All the-- all the world, you need the right contacts 1075 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:25,760 and you have to make compromises. 1076 01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:28,080 This is what I'm saying. 1077 01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,520 He must have had party contacts. 1078 01:03:30,520 --> 01:03:34,320 Ah, there are good party members who help. 1079 01:03:34,320 --> 01:03:39,000 And there are dirty non-party members who inform you. 1080 01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:40,920 Of course they gave him privileges. 1081 01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:46,200 And suddenly-- Steve, suddenly you notice they like you. 1082 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:47,600 They honor you. 1083 01:03:47,600 --> 01:03:53,800 And suddenly, you're the director of the best museum 1084 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,440 in the world, for example. 1085 01:03:58,600 --> 01:03:59,600 What museum? 1086 01:04:02,720 --> 01:04:07,240 [inaudible] museum. 1087 01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:13,840 Ah, not-- I say orchestra, sorry. 1088 01:04:13,840 --> 01:04:15,520 Believe me, Steve. 1089 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:18,280 Help me, Steve. 1090 01:04:18,280 --> 01:04:24,000 You say you answer for someone from high up. 1091 01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:28,600 I too ordered it from high up-- 1092 01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:30,720 very high up. 1093 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:34,800 We want Furtwangler. 1094 01:04:34,800 --> 01:04:38,000 I'll give you in the return the whole orchestra-- 1095 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,760 four, five conductors. 1096 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:42,640 I need him, Steve. 1097 01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:44,160 No can do. 1098 01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:48,080 Let Furtwangler go, please. 1099 01:04:48,080 --> 01:04:49,800 I have a duty. 1100 01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,800 Duty! 1101 01:04:51,800 --> 01:04:52,680 I'm sorry. 1102 01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:59,920 Duty, duty-- fucking duty. 1103 01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:03,480 American want everybody to live like you! 1104 01:05:03,480 --> 01:05:07,800 We liberated Berlin, Major Steve, not you! 1105 01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:08,880 Oh. 1106 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,840 They have duty also to bring back 1107 01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,400 the best of German culture! 1108 01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,480 I'm going to get that fucking band leader. 1109 01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,880 No deal! 1110 01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,240 No fucking deal. 1111 01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:30,400 Then you are going to kill me. 1112 01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:57,640 [film reel rattling] 1113 01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:08,040 You'll see ruins. 1114 01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:10,160 You'll see flowers. 1115 01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:13,000 You'll see some mighty pretty scenery. 1116 01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:15,400 Don't let it fool you. 1117 01:06:15,400 --> 01:06:17,760 You are in enemy country. 1118 01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:22,840 The Nazi party may be gone, the Nazi thinking, Nazi training, 1119 01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,160 and Nazi trickery remain. 1120 01:06:26,160 --> 01:06:28,160 Somewhere in this Germany, there are 1121 01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,280 two million ex-Nazi officials. 1122 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:35,880 out of power but still in there, and thinking, 1123 01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:38,520 thinking about next time. 1124 01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,400 Remember that only yesterday, every business, 1125 01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,360 every profession was part of Hitler's system. 1126 01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:47,080 Practically every German was part of the Nazi network. 1127 01:06:47,080 --> 01:06:48,320 [chanting] 1128 01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:51,600 They believed they were born to be masters. 1129 01:06:51,600 --> 01:06:52,760 Don't argue with them. 1130 01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:55,840 You're not being sent into Germany as educators. 1131 01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:58,440 You are soldiers on guard. 1132 01:06:58,440 --> 01:07:01,120 You will observe their local laws, 1133 01:07:01,120 --> 01:07:03,600 respect their customs and religion, 1134 01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:05,800 and you will respect their property rights. 1135 01:07:05,800 --> 01:07:09,000 You will not be friendly. 1136 01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:11,800 You will be aloof, watchful, and suspicious. 1137 01:07:17,080 --> 01:07:18,640 [indistinct chatter] 1138 01:07:36,200 --> 01:08:15,840 [speaking german] 1139 01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:17,400 [indistinct chatter] 1140 01:08:26,240 --> 01:08:28,000 [bicycle bell ringing] 1141 01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:43,400 Yesterday, I read that Furtwangler 1142 01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:46,160 was asked to lead the New York Philharmonic back in '36. 1143 01:08:46,160 --> 01:08:47,480 Toscanini suggested it. 1144 01:08:47,480 --> 01:08:49,160 Had he accepted, he would have become 1145 01:08:49,160 --> 01:08:52,280 the-- the most celebrated conductor in America. 1146 01:08:52,280 --> 01:08:53,800 When he made his decision, he couldn't 1147 01:08:53,800 --> 01:08:57,520 have known everything, especially not the way people 1148 01:08:57,520 --> 01:08:58,920 like you do. 1149 01:08:58,920 --> 01:09:01,400 [inaudible] return from exile and feel that you have a right 1150 01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,120 to pass judgment because you are blameless, 1151 01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,400 you think you know best who's a sinner 1152 01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,400 and who deserves forgiveness, but you have 1153 01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:09,800 no idea how people lived here. 1154 01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:10,920 When he met Hitler at his birthday, 1155 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:11,920 he shook hands with him. 1156 01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:12,840 Was he pleased? 1157 01:09:12,840 --> 01:09:14,200 I don't know. 1158 01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:17,120 But you and I already know that he has saved lives. 1159 01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:25,680 Emmi, this Bruckner Seventh, do you 1160 01:09:25,680 --> 01:09:27,560 know where the adagio begins? 1161 01:09:27,560 --> 01:09:28,880 Of course. 1162 01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:30,440 Put it on ready to play and I'll tell you when to play. 1163 01:09:30,440 --> 01:09:31,000 Mm-hmm. 1164 01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,560 It's now 9 o'clock precisely. 1165 01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:45,520 I do not intend to be kept waiting again. 1166 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:49,920 Don't talk to me like I was a second violinist. 1167 01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:52,000 Go back in the waiting room. 1168 01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:55,000 Miss Straube will come and get you when I am ready to see you. 1169 01:10:02,440 --> 01:10:03,520 Jesus, God. 1170 01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,040 Who the hell does he think he is? 1171 01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:09,280 Who the hell does he think he is? 1172 01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:29,440 Would you perhaps like to have a glass of water, Officer? 1173 01:10:44,280 --> 01:10:46,800 What is this man doing here? 1174 01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,040 Dr. Furtwangler, come in. 1175 01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:48,680 Come in. 1176 01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,480 Sit down. 1177 01:10:51,480 --> 01:10:52,240 No, no. 1178 01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:53,080 Take think this one. 1179 01:10:53,080 --> 01:10:54,320 It's more comfortable. 1180 01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:04,640 If it's too hot. 1181 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:07,800 Open your tie. 1182 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:09,800 I wish to say something. 1183 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:10,440 Go ahead. 1184 01:11:10,440 --> 01:11:11,480 Be my guest. 1185 01:11:11,480 --> 01:11:14,080 When I last saw you, I was unprepared. 1186 01:11:14,080 --> 01:11:15,640 I did not know what to expect. 1187 01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:17,800 But in these past weeks, I've been thinking more carefully 1188 01:11:17,800 --> 01:11:19,320 and making some notes. 1189 01:11:21,680 --> 01:11:26,840 You have to understand who I am and what I am. 1190 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:30,240 I am a musician, and I believe in music. 1191 01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:33,040 I'm an artist, and I believe in art. 1192 01:11:33,040 --> 01:11:35,880 Art in general, and music in particular, 1193 01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:42,600 has for me mystical powers which nurture man's spiritual needs. 1194 01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,640 I must confess, however, to being extremely naive. 1195 01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,200 I insisted for many years on the absolute separation 1196 01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:53,080 of art and politics. 1197 01:11:53,080 --> 01:11:57,360 My entire life was devoted to music, because-- 1198 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,000 and this is very important-- 1199 01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,880 because I thought that I could, through music, do 1200 01:12:03,880 --> 01:12:05,880 something practical. 1201 01:12:05,880 --> 01:12:07,960 And what was that? 1202 01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:12,120 To maintain liberty, humanity, and justice. 1203 01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,600 Gee, that's a thing of beauty. 1204 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:18,320 Honest to god, a real thing of beauty. 1205 01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,320 I'm going to try to remember that. 1206 01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:25,120 Liberty, humanity, and justice. 1207 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:26,280 Beautiful. 1208 01:12:26,280 --> 01:12:28,120 But you use the word naive, are you 1209 01:12:28,120 --> 01:12:29,640 now saying that you think you were wrong, 1210 01:12:29,640 --> 01:12:33,040 that art and politics can't be separated? 1211 01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:36,520 No, I believe art and politics should be separated 1212 01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,160 but that they weren't kept separate. 1213 01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:39,320 I learned to my [inaudible]. 1214 01:12:39,320 --> 01:12:40,840 And when did you first learn that, 1215 01:12:40,840 --> 01:12:42,400 when you sent the telegram? 1216 01:12:42,400 --> 01:12:45,560 Was that the surrender signal, the waving of the white flag? 1217 01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:47,160 What telegram? 1218 01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,680 Happy birthday, dear Adolf, love Wilhelm or words 1219 01:12:49,680 --> 01:12:51,160 to that effect. 1220 01:12:51,160 --> 01:12:52,800 That sounds to me like you were dropping on your knees 1221 01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:54,720 and saying, OK, Adolf, you win. 1222 01:12:54,720 --> 01:12:56,040 You're the number one man. 1223 01:12:56,040 --> 01:12:57,320 Have a swell party. 1224 01:12:57,320 --> 01:12:59,400 I have no idea what you're talking about. 1225 01:12:59,400 --> 01:13:02,880 The birthday greetings you sent to your old pal Adolf Hitler. 1226 01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,360 I never sent him in birthday greetings 1227 01:13:04,360 --> 01:13:05,760 or any other kind of greetings. 1228 01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,120 Oh, think carefully, Wilhelm. 1229 01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:10,160 Maybe not in your own name, but as Privy Councilor 1230 01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,160 or Vice President. 1231 01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:12,120 I don't have to think carefully. 1232 01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:13,360 This is utterly ridiculous. 1233 01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:14,960 [clears throat] 1234 01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:16,520 Yes, David. 1235 01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,760 Why not show Dr. Furtwangler the evidence? 1236 01:13:18,760 --> 01:13:20,120 It may refresh his memory. 1237 01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:22,120 You won't find it, because no such telegram exists. 1238 01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,800 Well, I tried. 1239 01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:33,600 You've got to admit, I tried. 1240 01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,000 I thought I just might trap you there, Wilhelm. 1241 01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,440 But David hear was too quick for me. 1242 01:13:42,440 --> 01:13:44,920 Smart move, David. 1243 01:13:44,920 --> 01:13:47,520 Smart move. 1244 01:13:47,520 --> 01:13:51,320 No, I don't have a telegram, but I know it exists. 1245 01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:52,880 And I want you to know, Wilhelm, we're 1246 01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,320 going to keep looking for it, because I believe you sent it. 1247 01:13:55,320 --> 01:13:56,480 Well then, you're wrong. 1248 01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,200 Art and politics, art and politics. 1249 01:14:03,200 --> 01:14:04,800 Let's take a look at that. 1250 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:08,080 You in the Berlin Philharmonic toward the Third Reich 1251 01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,360 played in countries the Nazis had conquered. 1252 01:14:10,360 --> 01:14:13,440 Are you saying that conducting in occupied territories 1253 01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:17,840 from 1939 on wasn't a commercial for Adolf and all he stood for? 1254 01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,600 No we never, never officially represented the regime 1255 01:14:20,600 --> 01:14:22,000 when we played abroad. 1256 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:24,000 We always performed as a private ensemble. 1257 01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,200 I think I already told you that I was a freelance conductor. 1258 01:14:27,200 --> 01:14:29,640 You know something, you should have written our insurance 1259 01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:32,640 policies for us, because you've got more exclusion 1260 01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,880 clauses than double indemnity. 1261 01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:37,320 What do you imagine people thought? 1262 01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,120 The Berlin Philharmonic's taking over 1263 01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,240 by Dr. Goebbels and the propaganda ministry, 1264 01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:46,160 but Wilhelm's a freelance, so art and politics are now 1265 01:14:46,160 --> 01:14:47,560 entirely separate. 1266 01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:51,040 Is that what you believed ordinary people thought? 1267 01:14:51,040 --> 01:14:53,320 I have no idea what ordinary people thought. 1268 01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,480 No. 1269 01:14:55,480 --> 01:14:58,320 No, because I had only one intention. 1270 01:14:58,320 --> 01:14:59,800 My only intention, whatever I did, 1271 01:14:59,800 --> 01:15:06,040 was to-- to show that music means more than politics. 1272 01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:09,080 Tell me about von der N ll. 1273 01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:12,080 Von der N ll. 1274 01:15:12,080 --> 01:15:14,480 Yes, von der N ll. 1275 01:15:14,480 --> 01:15:17,080 Von der N ll? 1276 01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,160 How long is this going to go on, Wilhelm? 1277 01:15:19,160 --> 01:15:21,400 I say von der N ll, you say von der N ll. 1278 01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:23,760 I say von der N ll, you say von der N ll. 1279 01:15:23,760 --> 01:15:25,480 We could go on all day. 1280 01:15:25,480 --> 01:15:28,280 You know who von der N ll is, don't you? 1281 01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:30,840 Edwin von der N ll, music critic. 1282 01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,360 Yes, I know who he is. 1283 01:15:32,360 --> 01:15:35,080 Isn't it true that because he gave you bad reviews 1284 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:38,240 and praised this young guy, von Karajan, 1285 01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:40,640 called him a goddamn miracle, said he was a better conductor 1286 01:15:40,640 --> 01:15:44,600 than you, that you had von der N ll conscripted into the army 1287 01:15:44,600 --> 01:15:46,400 and no one's heard from him since? 1288 01:15:46,400 --> 01:15:48,280 That's an outrageous lie. 1289 01:15:48,280 --> 01:15:51,160 You sure you to call one of your close buddies and say, 1290 01:15:51,160 --> 01:15:52,880 god in heaven, did you see with that guy, 1291 01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,960 von der N ll wrote about me, the greatest conductor on Earth? 1292 01:15:56,960 --> 01:15:58,000 I want him out of the way. 1293 01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,040 He. 1294 01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:00,240 Had the nerve to accuse me of not 1295 01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:02,720 playing enough modern music. 1296 01:16:02,720 --> 01:16:05,600 Send him to Stalingrad. 1297 01:16:05,600 --> 01:16:06,640 Isn't that what you did? 1298 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,880 You don't like criticism, do you, Wilhelm? 1299 01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,280 You certainly didn't like him saying 1300 01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:12,320 there was another conducted better than you. 1301 01:16:14,320 --> 01:16:16,800 Are you seeing the name von der N ll was never mentioned 1302 01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,480 in your talks with Goebbels? 1303 01:16:18,480 --> 01:16:21,280 Well, once he-- he said he-- he had read 1304 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,960 what this man wrote about me. 1305 01:16:22,960 --> 01:16:24,360 What did he say? 1306 01:16:24,360 --> 01:16:27,600 Well, he said, don't mind him. 1307 01:16:27,600 --> 01:16:28,800 His job is to criticize. 1308 01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:30,280 Your job is to conduct. 1309 01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:32,520 And what happened to von der N ll. 1310 01:16:32,520 --> 01:16:34,120 I have no idea. 1311 01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:36,840 You really have no idea? 1312 01:16:36,840 --> 01:16:37,960 I'll tell you what happened. 1313 01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:42,520 He died in Stalingrad. 1314 01:16:42,520 --> 01:16:45,080 Well, I'm sorry. 1315 01:16:45,080 --> 01:16:48,560 Now, that young conductor-- what's his name? 1316 01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:54,880 That miracle kid, you know who I mean, von Karajan. 1317 01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,880 But you called him something else. 1318 01:16:57,880 --> 01:16:59,720 Come on, what did you call von Karajan? 1319 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:02,000 Say it. 1320 01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:03,600 I'll say it then. 1321 01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,200 Little K, is that right? 1322 01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:08,280 You couldn't even bear to say his name. 1323 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,000 Please, stop playing these games with me. 1324 01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:12,800 Why you should bring up the name of-- 1325 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,200 why you should bring up the name of another conductor 1326 01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,200 is beyond my understanding. 1327 01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:20,000 I'll tell you why. 1328 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,800 You remember, we talked about you 1329 01:17:21,800 --> 01:17:23,200 playing for Hitler's birthday. 1330 01:17:23,200 --> 01:17:25,240 And you told me that Goebbels got to your doctors 1331 01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,600 first, that you were tricked. 1332 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:28,800 Yes, that's what happened. 1333 01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,240 I have a different story to tell. 1334 01:17:31,240 --> 01:17:34,920 I don't think you were tricked, not in the way you described. 1335 01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,400 I believe something else happened. 1336 01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:39,800 I've seen the Hinkel archive. 1337 01:17:39,800 --> 01:17:41,320 I've seen records of phone calls. 1338 01:17:41,320 --> 01:17:45,440 And putting it all together, this is what I think happened. 1339 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:49,240 I think Goebbels said, Wilhelm, if you won't conduct for Adolf, 1340 01:17:49,240 --> 01:17:52,440 we'll get the miracle kid, the guy that critic von der N ll 1341 01:17:52,440 --> 01:17:54,640 thinks is the greatest conductor in the world. 1342 01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,480 He's not just willing to conduct for Adolf, 1343 01:17:56,480 --> 01:17:59,000 he's offered to sing Happy Birthday as a solo. 1344 01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:03,360 Come on, admit it. 1345 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:05,680 K worried you, didn't he? 1346 01:18:05,680 --> 01:18:07,640 He always worried you. 1347 01:18:07,640 --> 01:18:11,000 In 1942, he's 34 years old. 1348 01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,280 You're already 56. 1349 01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,080 And Goebbels and Goering keep saying, if you won't do it, 1350 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,640 little K will. 1351 01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:22,280 Never mind art and politics, and airy fairy bullshit 1352 01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:25,520 about liberty, humanity, and justice, because I 1353 01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:27,680 don't care how great you are, it's 1354 01:18:27,680 --> 01:18:30,200 the oldest story in the book. 1355 01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:34,200 The aging Romeo jealous of the young buck. 1356 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:35,880 The real reason you didn't leave the country 1357 01:18:35,880 --> 01:18:38,440 when you knew you should have was that you were frightened. 1358 01:18:38,440 --> 01:18:40,640 You were frightened that once you were out of the way, 1359 01:18:40,640 --> 01:18:44,560 you'd be supplanted by the miracle kid, the party's boy 1360 01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:45,360 twice over-- 1361 01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:49,000 flashy, talented, Little K. 1362 01:18:49,000 --> 01:18:52,280 This is absolute nonsense. 1363 01:18:52,280 --> 01:18:56,000 Well, I'm just beginning to develop my theme. 1364 01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:58,000 Isn't that what you call it in classical music, 1365 01:18:58,000 --> 01:18:59,520 developing a theme? 1366 01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:02,680 OK, Wilhelm, so they play to your insecurity. 1367 01:19:02,680 --> 01:19:05,080 That's human, understandable. 1368 01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,520 But there's one guy who doesn't like Little K 1369 01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:09,320 as much as he likes you. 1370 01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:12,280 Yeah, the number one man, your old pal Adolf. 1371 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:13,560 He thinks you're the greatest. 1372 01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,560 And when he says, I want Wilhelm for my birthday, 1373 01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,640 boy, they better go out and get Wilhelm. 1374 01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:20,200 So Joseph calls and threatens you with Little K. 1375 01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,160 And you said to hell with the night in Vienna, 1376 01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:26,960 I'll give it to Adolf as a birthday present in Berlin. 1377 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,760 That's the trick they played. 1378 01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:34,680 They got you by the balls and they squeezed hard. 1379 01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:36,800 Why did you stay? 1380 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,480 Why did you play for them? 1381 01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:42,400 Why were you the flag carrier for their regime? 1382 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:43,000 Jealousy. 1383 01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,720 Of course, there was a conspiracy against me, 1384 01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,120 a campaign, even abroad. 1385 01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:56,400 You see, Wilhelm, I'm talking about ordinary, everyday 1386 01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:01,160 reasons, which is why I want to discuss your private life. 1387 01:20:01,160 --> 01:20:03,000 How many illegitimate children do you have? 1388 01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,400 Major, I don't see how this line of questioning 1389 01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:06,160 could have possibly anything to do with-- 1390 01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:08,320 Hey, David! 1391 01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:12,360 What are you, counsel for the defense now? 1392 01:20:12,360 --> 01:20:15,400 Did you hear the question? 1393 01:20:15,400 --> 01:20:16,720 I have illegitimate children. 1394 01:20:16,720 --> 01:20:18,000 What? 1395 01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:19,440 I said, I-- I have illegitimate children. 1396 01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:23,400 I don't know how many. 1397 01:20:29,640 --> 01:20:32,000 You like the women, don't you, Wilhelm? 1398 01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:34,040 Isn't it true that before every concert 1399 01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:35,600 you've got a woman in your dressing room 1400 01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,720 and gave her the old conductor's baton? 1401 01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:39,040 Isn't that true? 1402 01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:40,440 Major, this is deeply offensive and repugnant. 1403 01:20:40,440 --> 01:20:41,200 You bet. 1404 01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:42,400 And totally irrelevant! 1405 01:20:42,400 --> 01:20:45,200 Not so Councilor, that's secretary of yours, 1406 01:20:45,200 --> 01:20:46,840 she wasn't just your secretary. 1407 01:20:46,840 --> 01:20:48,800 She procured women for you. 1408 01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:50,000 Didn't she? 1409 01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,640 As many in as often as you wanted. 1410 01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:52,640 Stop this. 1411 01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:53,640 Please, please stop this now. 1412 01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,600 No, I'm not going to stop. 1413 01:20:55,600 --> 01:20:57,440 Hitler himself offered you a beautiful house 1414 01:20:57,440 --> 01:20:59,200 and a personal bomb shelter. 1415 01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:01,280 I absolutely refused the house in the bomb shelter. 1416 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,800 But you see what I'm getting at. 1417 01:21:03,800 --> 01:21:06,640 You get a gorgeous house, you're highly paid, 1418 01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,880 what are you going to do, stay or leave? 1419 01:21:08,880 --> 01:21:11,520 One voice comes back at me. 1420 01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:12,080 Stay. 1421 01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:16,440 Major, that's not a good argument. 1422 01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:18,600 If Dr. Furtwangler indeed did enjoyed 1423 01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:21,520 all these-- these privileges, he enjoyed him of who he is 1424 01:21:21,520 --> 01:21:22,440 and what he is. 1425 01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:23,760 That's true of any leading artist 1426 01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:24,880 in any country in the world. 1427 01:21:24,880 --> 01:21:26,680 But it still doesn't make them safe. 1428 01:21:26,680 --> 01:21:29,240 They've still got to get up and piss in the middle 1429 01:21:29,240 --> 01:21:31,160 of the night, don't they? 1430 01:21:31,160 --> 01:21:33,360 They can still be vindictive and envious 1431 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,960 and mean, just like you and me! 1432 01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:40,280 Well, just like me. 1433 01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:43,400 Can't they? 1434 01:21:49,800 --> 01:21:52,680 OK, Wilhelm, go home now. 1435 01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:56,400 Go home and think about these past 12 years. 1436 01:21:56,400 --> 01:21:57,880 I don't understand what you mean. 1437 01:21:57,880 --> 01:21:59,960 No, that's your problem, Wilhelm. 1438 01:21:59,960 --> 01:22:02,760 You understand nothing. 1439 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:03,880 We'll call you. 1440 01:22:03,880 --> 01:22:04,480 Go. 1441 01:22:17,400 --> 01:22:18,400 [sighs] 1442 01:22:44,520 --> 01:22:45,880 Major. 1443 01:22:45,880 --> 01:22:47,080 What? 1444 01:22:47,080 --> 01:22:48,160 Your manner-- 1445 01:22:51,360 --> 01:22:51,960 My manner? 1446 01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:00,440 Why don't you go downstairs, get a cup of coffee, and calm down. 1447 01:23:00,440 --> 01:23:01,400 Now, sir. 1448 01:23:18,280 --> 01:23:20,360 What's the matter, Emmi. 1449 01:23:20,360 --> 01:23:22,360 What's going on with you. 1450 01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:23,000 What's wrong? 1451 01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:31,400 I'm sorry, but I have to leave. 1452 01:23:37,400 --> 01:23:38,600 I [inaudible]. 1453 01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:45,000 You have to get someone else [inaudible].. 1454 01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,200 What is this, Emmi? 1455 01:23:49,800 --> 01:23:52,800 I can't do this. 1456 01:23:52,800 --> 01:23:53,600 It's not right. 1457 01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:57,600 What's not right? 1458 01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:14,200 I've been questioning if I could [inaudible] just like that-- 1459 01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:17,600 just like-- just like you question him. 1460 01:24:27,800 --> 01:24:29,640 Emmi, stop. 1461 01:24:29,640 --> 01:24:31,240 I want to show you something. 1462 01:24:31,240 --> 01:24:32,680 Let me show you something. 1463 01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:36,040 And then if you want to leave, you can leave, please. 1464 01:24:36,040 --> 01:24:36,640 Please. 1465 01:24:48,040 --> 01:24:50,440 His friends, they did this. 1466 01:24:50,440 --> 01:24:52,400 And he gave them birthday concerts. 1467 01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,680 But he had no idea. 1468 01:24:58,680 --> 01:25:01,080 A lot of people had no idea. 1469 01:25:04,000 --> 01:25:10,800 I-- I only realized what was really 1470 01:25:10,800 --> 01:25:15,240 going on when I got arrested. 1471 01:25:15,240 --> 01:25:19,400 If he had no idea, why did the Jews need saving? 1472 01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:25,160 This is my question, Emmi, to all Germans. 1473 01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:31,560 Why did the Jews need saving in this country? 1474 01:25:31,560 --> 01:25:33,960 Why? 1475 01:25:33,960 --> 01:25:35,280 The people had no idea. 1476 01:25:41,000 --> 01:25:43,280 I would like to go now, please. 1477 01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:51,920 [door slams] 1478 01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,200 [music - "embraceable you"] 1479 01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:59,040 (SINGING) I love all the many charms about you. 1480 01:26:02,120 --> 01:26:08,320 Above all, I want my arms around you. 1481 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:13,480 Don't be a naughty baby. 1482 01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:26,840 Can I ask you a favor, Major? 1483 01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:28,040 Yeah. 1484 01:26:28,040 --> 01:26:31,000 When you question him again, could you 1485 01:26:31,000 --> 01:26:32,400 treat him with more respect? 1486 01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:33,360 With more what? 1487 01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:39,360 More what? 1488 01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:42,120 Major, he may just be the-- 1489 01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:43,880 the greatest conductor of this century. 1490 01:26:43,880 --> 01:26:47,120 And that merits respect. 1491 01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:49,360 David, I don't understand a thing about you. 1492 01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:50,840 You're a Jew. 1493 01:26:50,840 --> 01:26:51,640 Are you a Jew? 1494 01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:57,000 Yes, I am a Jew. 1495 01:26:59,200 --> 01:27:01,040 But I like to think first, I'm a human being. 1496 01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,800 A human being, oh, good. 1497 01:27:03,800 --> 01:27:05,600 I'm relieved. 1498 01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:07,840 I thought you were going to say you were a music lover. 1499 01:27:07,840 --> 01:27:13,200 This man-- this great artist has made anti-Semitic 1500 01:27:13,200 --> 01:27:15,440 remarks like you wouldn't believe. 1501 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:16,400 I got letters. 1502 01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:18,000 Major, show me somebody who hasn't 1503 01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,080 made anti-Semitic remarks and I show you the gates of paradise. 1504 01:27:20,080 --> 01:27:21,400 What is it with you? 1505 01:27:21,400 --> 01:27:22,600 Where are your feelings, David? 1506 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:26,000 Where's your hatred, your-- your disgust? 1507 01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:29,880 Where's your fucking outrage, David? 1508 01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:31,360 Think of your parents and then think 1509 01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:36,840 of him conducting (SINGING) happy birthday, dear Adolf. 1510 01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:37,440 I'm mean. 1511 01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,400 Christ's sake, whose side are you on? 1512 01:27:49,480 --> 01:27:52,040 Grow up. 1513 01:27:52,040 --> 01:27:54,000 Just grow the fuck up. 1514 01:27:57,200 --> 01:27:59,000 I want you to come back to the office. 1515 01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:05,640 May I come in? 1516 01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:16,720 If you're there, you can influence what happens. 1517 01:28:16,720 --> 01:28:19,720 What good can you do by leaving? 1518 01:28:19,720 --> 01:28:21,600 If you go, you're giving up. 1519 01:28:21,600 --> 01:28:25,640 And how can you help Furtwangler, hmm? 1520 01:28:25,640 --> 01:28:26,680 Don't think about leaving. 1521 01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:31,280 Stay. 1522 01:28:40,280 --> 01:28:42,880 Everybody says what a great benefactor 1523 01:28:42,880 --> 01:28:44,240 you were to the Jews. 1524 01:28:44,240 --> 01:28:47,560 But I have things here you said and wrote. 1525 01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,680 Listen to this. 1526 01:28:49,680 --> 01:28:53,080 "The Jew composer Schoenberg is admired 1527 01:28:53,080 --> 01:28:56,520 by the Jewish International." 1528 01:28:56,520 --> 01:28:57,840 And what about this? 1529 01:28:57,840 --> 01:29:02,320 "Jewish musicians lack a genuine affinity with our music." 1530 01:29:07,320 --> 01:29:13,440 "Jewish musicians are good businessmen, with few scruples, 1531 01:29:13,440 --> 01:29:15,240 lacking roots." 1532 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,840 You deny you said these things? 1533 01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:21,520 Those attitudes do not exist in me. 1534 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:22,360 I believe that. 1535 01:29:22,360 --> 01:29:23,400 But just answer the questions. 1536 01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,040 Don't give me explanations. 1537 01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:27,760 I was speaking to party members. 1538 01:29:27,760 --> 01:29:29,560 I-- I used the language. 1539 01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:31,080 Of course I did. 1540 01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,600 Everyone did. 1541 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,160 But it's not me. 1542 01:29:36,160 --> 01:29:37,800 Then who is it? 1543 01:29:37,800 --> 01:29:39,720 Who was speaking? 1544 01:29:39,720 --> 01:29:42,480 Uh, Major, sorry to interrupt, but maybe we have to-- 1545 01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:45,120 maybe we have to balance those things against this assistance 1546 01:29:45,120 --> 01:29:46,560 to his Jewish colleagues. 1547 01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:48,920 This is, uh-- this is a transcript from the proceedings 1548 01:29:48,920 --> 01:29:50,080 at Nuremberg. 1549 01:29:50,080 --> 01:29:51,760 A. Swedish businessman, Birger Dahlerus, 1550 01:29:51,760 --> 01:29:54,760 testified in cross-examination that he had several meetings 1551 01:29:54,760 --> 01:29:57,040 with Hermann Goering. 1552 01:29:57,040 --> 01:29:59,240 "I First saw Goering," Dahlerus testified, 1553 01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,760 "embroiled in a stormy interview with Dr. Wilhelm Furtwangler, 1554 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:03,560 the famous conductor of the Berlin Philharmonic, 1555 01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:05,000 who was vainly seeking permission 1556 01:30:05,000 --> 01:30:07,120 to keep his Jewish concertmaster." 1557 01:30:07,120 --> 01:30:10,200 Uh, Emmi, pick one of these, any one 1558 01:30:10,200 --> 01:30:11,560 and read it out loud, please. 1559 01:30:18,400 --> 01:30:21,920 "Please remember that Dr. Furtwangler risked his life 1560 01:30:21,920 --> 01:30:23,600 to help anyone who asked him. 1561 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:26,440 I personally testified to having seen literally hundreds 1562 01:30:26,440 --> 01:30:29,000 of people lined up outside his dressing room 1563 01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:32,000 after concerts to ask for his help. 1564 01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:34,200 He never turned anyone away. 1565 01:30:34,200 --> 01:30:35,520 After he heard me play-- 1566 01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:37,600 I'm a violinist-- he gave me money 1567 01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,400 because I was unable to feed myself or my family. 1568 01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,520 And then he helped me to escape to Sweden. 1569 01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:44,400 He helped countless people in similar ways." 1570 01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:46,240 And that's only one of these letters, Major. 1571 01:30:46,240 --> 01:30:47,800 And I have lots of them. 1572 01:30:47,800 --> 01:30:51,200 How many times have I got to tell you, I was in insurance. 1573 01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:52,800 You think I can't smell a phony policy 1574 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,800 when it's shoved under my nose? 1575 01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:57,880 Sure, he helped Jews, but that was just insurance, his cover, 1576 01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:01,600 because all the while, he was maestro of all he surveyed. 1577 01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:08,640 See, Wilhelm, I think you were their boy, their creature. 1578 01:31:08,640 --> 01:31:11,280 You were like an advertising slogan for them. 1579 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:15,400 This is what we produce, the greatest conductor 1580 01:31:15,400 --> 01:31:16,280 in the world. 1581 01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:17,840 And you went along with it. 1582 01:31:17,840 --> 01:31:19,240 The truth of the matter is, Wilhelm, 1583 01:31:19,240 --> 01:31:20,720 you didn't need to be a member of the party. 1584 01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,400 I made a mistake when I asked you for your party number. 1585 01:31:23,400 --> 01:31:27,480 I should have asked you for your non-party number, 1586 01:31:27,480 --> 01:31:30,040 just like some other well-known artists. 1587 01:31:32,600 --> 01:31:34,280 Emmi, put the record on. 1588 01:31:45,880 --> 01:31:47,040 [MUSIC - "SYMPHONY NO. 1589 01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,800 7 IN E MAJOR"] 1590 01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:52,400 You know what that is? 1591 01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,640 Of course I know what it is. 1592 01:31:55,640 --> 01:31:56,640 OK, so what is it? 1593 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:02,880 Bruckner's Seventh-- The Adagio. 1594 01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:04,040 Who's conducting? 1595 01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:07,000 I am. 1596 01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,000 Do you know the last time it was played under these air waves? 1597 01:32:14,240 --> 01:32:18,000 How could I know such a thing? 1598 01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:19,400 I'll tell you then. 1599 01:32:19,400 --> 01:32:21,280 The last time this music was played on these airwaves 1600 01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,680 was after they announced that your pal 1601 01:32:23,680 --> 01:32:26,040 Hitler had shot himself. 1602 01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:31,000 Listen to it. 1603 01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,920 Did they pick Little K's recording? 1604 01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,760 Did they pick some other conductor? 1605 01:32:40,760 --> 01:32:42,360 No, they picked you. 1606 01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:45,000 And why? 1607 01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,240 Because you represented them so beautifully. 1608 01:32:52,600 --> 01:32:56,280 When the devil died, they wanted his band leader 1609 01:32:56,280 --> 01:32:57,760 to conduct the funeral march. 1610 01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:10,960 You were everything to them. 1611 01:33:21,800 --> 01:33:27,640 I've always tried to analyze myself carefully, closely, 1612 01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:30,680 saying how I believed I-- 1613 01:33:30,680 --> 01:33:35,080 I walked a tightrope between exile and the gallows. 1614 01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:37,000 You seem to be blaming me for not having 1615 01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:38,400 allowed myself to be hanged. 1616 01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:45,080 I did not directly oppose the party 1617 01:33:45,080 --> 01:33:47,600 because I told myself that it wasn't my job. 1618 01:33:47,600 --> 01:33:50,080 If I had taken any active part in politics, 1619 01:33:50,080 --> 01:33:51,600 I could not have remained here. 1620 01:33:54,200 --> 01:33:59,840 But as a musician, I'm more than a citizen. 1621 01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:02,800 I am a citizen of this country in that eternal sense 1622 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:04,440 to which-- 1623 01:34:04,440 --> 01:34:10,400 to which the genius of great music testifies. 1624 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:12,400 I know that a similar performance 1625 01:34:12,400 --> 01:34:15,200 of the great masterpiece is a stronger and more vital 1626 01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,040 negation of the spirit of Buchenwald and Auschwitz 1627 01:34:19,040 --> 01:34:20,400 than-- than words. 1628 01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:24,840 Have you ever smelled burning flesh? 1629 01:34:24,840 --> 01:34:27,280 I smelled it four miles away. 1630 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:31,320 Four miles away, I smelled it! 1631 01:34:31,320 --> 01:34:36,440 Have you ever seen the gas chambers, the crematoria? 1632 01:34:36,440 --> 01:34:40,400 Have you seen the mountains of rotting corpses? 1633 01:34:40,400 --> 01:34:44,240 You talk to me about culture, art, and music. 1634 01:34:44,240 --> 01:34:47,840 You putting that on the scales, Wilhelm? 1635 01:34:47,840 --> 01:34:51,080 You setting culture, art, and music 1636 01:34:51,080 --> 01:34:54,360 against the millions put to death by your pals? 1637 01:35:00,480 --> 01:35:02,480 They had orchestras in the camps! 1638 01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:06,680 They played Beethoven, Wagner. 1639 01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:13,680 The hangmen playing chamber music 1640 01:35:13,680 --> 01:35:15,840 at home with their families. 1641 01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:19,280 I don't understand the German's relationship with music. 1642 01:35:19,280 --> 01:35:20,880 What do you need music for? 1643 01:35:20,880 --> 01:35:24,880 Your powers you could call to save a few Jews when millions 1644 01:35:24,880 --> 01:35:26,600 of them were being annihilated? 1645 01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:28,080 Yes! 1646 01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:31,680 I blame you for not getting hanged. 1647 01:35:31,680 --> 01:35:35,400 I blame you for your cowardice. 1648 01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:41,640 You strut it and swagger, you fucking piece of shit. 1649 01:35:41,640 --> 01:35:45,680 King pig in a shithouse. 1650 01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:49,280 You talk to me about walking a tightrope 1651 01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:54,560 between exile and a gallows, and I [inaudible].. 1652 01:35:54,560 --> 01:35:55,560 I love my country. 1653 01:35:55,560 --> 01:35:56,520 I believe in music. 1654 01:35:56,520 --> 01:35:57,360 What was I to do? 1655 01:35:57,360 --> 01:35:58,880 Look around you! 1656 01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:02,640 See the country you served. 1657 01:36:02,640 --> 01:36:05,240 Look at people who had real courage, who 1658 01:36:05,240 --> 01:36:15,080 took risks, who risked their lives, like Emmi's father. 1659 01:36:20,040 --> 01:36:24,040 Emmi-- Emmi, take your fingers out of your ears. 1660 01:36:24,040 --> 01:36:26,320 I'm talking about your father. 1661 01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:29,360 My father only joined the plot when he realized 1662 01:36:29,360 --> 01:36:33,280 that we could not win the war. 1663 01:36:37,480 --> 01:36:39,320 What kind of world do you want, Major? 1664 01:36:42,200 --> 01:36:44,360 What kind of world are you going to make? 1665 01:36:44,360 --> 01:36:48,560 Do you honestly believe that the only reality 1666 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:51,480 is the material world? 1667 01:36:51,480 --> 01:36:56,800 If so, you will be left with nothing, nothing but feculence, 1668 01:36:56,800 --> 01:37:00,520 feculence more foul smelling than that which pervades 1669 01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:02,520 [inaudible]. 1670 01:37:02,520 --> 01:37:03,480 [snap] 1671 01:37:05,800 --> 01:37:08,080 How was-- how was I to understand? 1672 01:37:08,080 --> 01:37:10,400 How was I to know what they were capable of? 1673 01:37:17,520 --> 01:37:18,240 No one knew. 1674 01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:26,320 I don't want to stay in this country. 1675 01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:35,880 I guess I should have left 1934. 1676 01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:37,480 It would have been better if I left. 1677 01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:43,440 [crash] 1678 01:37:50,200 --> 01:37:51,520 Get him out of here. 1679 01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:04,720 Thank you, Fraulein. 1680 01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,640 You've been most kind. 1681 01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:19,040 Sons of bitches. 1682 01:38:35,000 --> 01:38:37,480 Major Arnold, get me General Wallace. 1683 01:38:40,280 --> 01:38:44,480 General, about Furtwangler-- 1684 01:38:44,480 --> 01:38:46,680 I don't know if we've got a case against him. 1685 01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:47,440 [MUSIC - "SYMPHONY NO. 1686 01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:47,960 5 IN C MINOR"] 1687 01:38:47,960 --> 01:38:49,680 [inaudible] 1688 01:38:49,680 --> 01:38:50,960 Hey, turn that down, will you. 1689 01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,160 Can you see I'm the phone? 1690 01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:57,720 Never mind. 1691 01:38:57,720 --> 01:38:59,400 We got a journalist who will do whatever we tell them. 1692 01:38:59,400 --> 01:39:01,520 [RECORD PLAYER PLAYING DISTANTLY] 1693 01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:28,360 [record player playing loudly] 1694 01:39:28,360 --> 01:39:30,160 Turn it off! 1695 01:39:30,160 --> 01:39:31,520 [MUSIC - "SYMPHONY NO. 1696 01:39:31,520 --> 01:39:33,320 5 IN C MINOR"] 1697 01:39:58,920 --> 01:40:02,640 We handed Wilhelm Furtwangler over to the civil authorities. 1698 01:40:02,640 --> 01:40:06,320 And he was charged with serving the Nazi regime with uttering 1699 01:40:06,320 --> 01:40:10,160 anti-Semitic slurs, performing at an official Nazi party 1700 01:40:10,160 --> 01:40:14,400 function, and with being a Prussian Privy Councilor. 1701 01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:17,000 Dr. Furtwangler was acquitted. 1702 01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:21,080 I didn't nail him, but I sure winged him. 1703 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,800 And I know I did the right thing. 1704 01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,640 Furtwangler resumed his career, but he was never 1705 01:40:26,640 --> 01:40:29,680 allowed to conduct in the United States. 1706 01:40:29,680 --> 01:40:32,320 He died in 1954. 1707 01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:35,040 Little K succeeded him as head of the Berlin Philharmonic. 1708 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:36,400 [MUSIC - "SYMPHONY NO. 1709 01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:36,880 5 IN 1710 01:40:36,880 --> 01:42:16,400 C MINOR"]